Talk:Tonio Borg

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Reverting content

I have reverted an edit carried out by Josscerri as this removed relevant and correctly-cited content and replaced it with content that was not encyclopedic in tone and was not supported with any relevant citations. It seems that this is not the first time that Josscerri has carried out similar edits on this page. Please refrain from doing so - if you believe that any content in the current article is incorrect, kindly raise the issue here and provide sources demonstrating this when editing the article. --Nevborg (talk) 14:42, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Political positions

In line with WP:BLP I have made some edits in particular to avoid POV and to make the whole matter more accurate.

Demdem (talk) 21:54, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Undocumented migration was a criminal offence leading to imprisonment/deportation long before Borg took office. Criticism is from time after he left office

Untrue, Borg was in office from '98 to 2008. And not what the sources say. Please bring different sources to contribute to the advancement of the entry. --Dans (talk) 23:33, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify what I said earlier: criticism *in the sources you quote* are from the time Borg left office. Of course there was much criticism of the system during Borg's tenure. But that's beside the point. Whatever is and was wrong with Malta's detention policy can hardly be pinned down to Borg: the policy was generally pursued by his successors (and unlikely to change) and it has broad consensus across the Maltese political spectrum.

For this reason I would suggest that points dealing more generally with Malta's policy of detaining undocumented arrivals be included as a new section on Malta in the article immigration detention. The article here would mention that undocumented immigration and detention became a important and controversial issue under Borg's watch and then it would cross-refer to the new section I'm proposing. What do you think?

Demdem (talk) 09:59, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've done as you suggested, adding the section under immigration detention#Malta and removing from the page the details not directly related to Tonio Borg's time in office as Justice Minister. I think it would be interesting to add the points you underlined as well (the cross-party and inter-temporal support of the migrants detention policy), anyway the political responsibility for it in the 2002-08 period remains upon Borg.--Dans (talk) 16:02, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think some more points need to be moved to immigration detention#Malta. Borg was politically responsible for much less than is currently made out to be by the text as it stands. Put simply: detention and deportation have always been regulated by law, which is enacted by parliamentarians and is unrelated to Borg's tenure of office (if anything, Borg can be credited with bringing to end the odious practice of detention for an indefinite period). Same goes for the 2003 deportation of Eritreans where, incidentally, no mention is made of the fact that a subsequent magisterial inquiry found that it had been legal.

Demdem (talk) 13:41, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You struck out three whole paragraphs with due sources, I cannot accept your intervention. I'd like to hear someone else's opinion over it. --Dans (talk) 17:37, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They're all in immigration detention#Malta (including sources). Detention in Malta did not begin, nor unfortunately end, with Tonio Borg.

Demdem (talk) 21:18, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Response to third opinion request:

Hi. The sources for the removed text did not mention Borg. Without a source that directly ties Borg to the policy changes, it would be improper synthesis to credit him with the changes, even if they occurred during his tenure. I support the removal of the material and it should not be reintroduced without secondary sources that clearly and directly implicate Borg. To do otherwise is a violation of our BLP policy. Gigs (talk) 18:26, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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